Post by Krysta Laurie
reason is a lie though!
Liber AL isn't a text that is meant to taken at face value. It is
something that is meant to be mulled over, considered, researched,
attacked. Only then does it shine. It doesn't give up its gems for free.
Only a fool doesn't develop their ability to reason -- more so if they
believe that reason should be dismissed based on a literal
interpretation of a spiritual text. Reason and critical thinking are
essential to living life, not just the spiritual path.
Post by Krysta Laurie
The occultist who believes himself to have “experiential knowledge” which somehow “transcends reason” is therefore making a grave error, and any attempts to claim that his knowledge is “ineffable” is merely a convenient fiction to avoid coming to terms with the fact that he really doesn’t have any knowledge. It would behoove the aspiring Thelemite to accept these facts, and to recognise that if he thinks he has “knowledge which transcends reason” then he is simply deluding himself, and what he actually has is just some vague feelings that he doesn’t understand, regardless of how unattractive this may appear.
Of course, at some point somebody will raise the whole “reason is a lie” deal from AL II, 32, but this merely reveals a monumental misunderstanding of that verse and those around it. First of all, the fact that “reason is a lie” in no way implies the existence of some other form of “non-rational knowledge” that is not a lie. It merely states that knowledge is imperfect, which we already know, but imperfect knowledge is still knowledge, and it’s the only knowledge we have. Any person who is not a complete dullard already knows that we can never be 100% certain of anything, so this should be no revelation.
I'd say that if anyone intends to undertake the Great Work, reason isn't
just critical, but a *mandatory* part of doing that. Spirituality is,
ultimately, about gaining insight into the fundamental nature of
consciousness and the universe *for ourselves*, without having to trust
Crowley, Liber AL, or anyone or anything else.
People that ignore reason are destined to chase their own shadow. And
the vast majority do just that: think they have super powers, think they
are all wise and shit, and yet their life is a shambles. Bassos is a
To tell the real magician from the pretender, you have to look at what
they do, not what they say. While I think it can be an advantage of
Usenet that we can only judge each other based on our words, in this
respect I think it is a disadvantage. Pretenders love Usenet precisely
because others cannot see how they're actually conducting their life.
They can watch countless TV shows, fuck up all their personal
relationships, require the support of family and/or the state, but on
Usenet they can escape their powerlessness and pretend to be a
mysterious, powerful magician, even if it is only themselves that
Not that you're interested in any of that. Everything I've read from you
so far suggests to me that you're more interested in playing a character
in some make-believe world of mystery and magic, and that you have
little to no aspirations to gain real insight.
Do what thou wilt.
Incidentally, when posting to Usenet, you should quote the post you're
responding to, like I have here with yourself and Erwin, and as pretty
much everyone does on Usenet. If you don't, it's difficult to know what
you're responding to.