The Truth about David Griffin's Golden Dawn Euro Trash Center!!!

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The following material contain excerpts of testimonials from former
members of David Griffin's HOGD� order. These were ordinary people who
sought teaching in the Golden Dawn System of Magic and entrusted thier
entire spiritual future to this order and its chief. All of them have
requested that they remain anonymous all of them fear reprisal from
David Griffin. Some of them fear this even years after severing all
connection with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, European
International World Headquarters�.

Find out more at www.newworldorderinfo.envy.nu !!!


"I and several other people have witnessed various Inner Order rites
that were written specifically toward celebrating Adolf Hitler and the
resurrection of the Third Riech."

If Jorge Hevia knew what actually has happened in past inner order
activities in the HOGD, he would be appalled. This should especially
concern him because of his Hispanic race. David Griffin is only using
him for as long as the need lasts, nothing else. Why? Because Jorge is
simply a non-white person in a white supremacy oriented group. For
now, Jorge holds his rank of Praemonstrator as the "token non-white"
in the group so that Griffin can effectively avoid the "race card"
issue. In truth, david griffin is known to have association with such
racial groups as www.stormfront.org and other white supremecy/neo-nazi
oriented groups while using the Golden Dawn as a "spirtual" recruiting
tool for them. Jorge is not much of a problem for David Griffin as
hispanics have been known for thier own racial tensions with the black
community and that gives David and Jorge something in common. They
both hate "niggers".

Why do you think Jorge has never actually had a physical 5=6
initiation? Does anyone really think that Jorge will actually GET an
initiation from a man who befriends him on the outside but actually
hates him for his race and ethnic background? I doubt it.

Why do you think that David Griffin now resides in Germany? Could it
be because of his love of the "Fatherland" is greater than that of the
United States? His temple there was forcibly shut down because of an
investigation by authorities that found the space decked out with Nazi
flags in place of the traditional golden dawn regalia. It is a known
fact that ALL of his temples, with the exception of one in Paris that
still holds loose ties, are dissolved and/or in abeyance. Most of this
was due to his gestapo tactics of exerting threats and force on his
members to ensure their loyalty. There is not one member that was in
his order that did not fear him. He made sure he had some piece of
blackmail for each one of them lest any of them leave and open their
mouths about the attrocious acts of his so-called "leadership". All of
the proof of this one needs can be found in the endless threatening
letters to other temples in the occult community and slanderous posts
on the open internet that Jorge Hevia has done over the years on
behalf of David Griffin.

This is all no hoax: Ask Tommy Westlund who was among the first to
leave Mr. Griffin's order after conclusively finding that David
Griffin was a Nazi who was dedicated to using the Golden Dawn system
of magic to return the 3rd Reich to power. Ask Pat Behman if she too
witnessed rituals with Nazi symbolism, particularly one in a hotel
room with an altar bedecked with a nazi flag and the Pyrimid of Giza
in the window as a backdrop.

When it became irrevocably obvious that SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE, Chic
Cicero finally stepped up to the plate and filed suit against Mr.
Griffin for his repeated abuses of the Golden Dawn Community as a
whole. In spite of all of his smear campaigns and other threatening
Gestapo tactics on the entire community, ultimately Mr. Griffin has
lost virtually ALL of his Golden Dawn temples in the United States and
Canada and has effectively lost the privilige of even using the Golden
Dawn name in North America. The Authentic Hermetic Order of the Golden
Dawn now has the following new names as a result of a 2007 federal
court settlement: Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, European
International World Headquarters, and Authentic Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn in the Outer�. Mr. Griffin also had the wherewithal to
trademark the name "RR et AC". This was allowed him as there is no
conclusive proof that the RR et AC actually exists. David Griffin's
Martinist version of the "RR et AC" most certainly doesn't qualify.
Anyone who has read "The Golden Dawn" by Isreal Regardie knows that it
is a part of the 5=6 oath to never claim to be a Rosicrucian.
Rosicrucianism has been written about for many years and in no place
is there anything in the tradition that condones or even mentions the
abusive "Highlander" tactics of David Griffin's Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn, European International World Headquarters.�

It should also be noted that, as part of the 2007 court approved
settlement, that Mr. Griffin also agreed to cease and desist
slandering other Golden Dawn orders. This site exists because David
Griffin's slander and abusive tactics still persist on the internet.
His latest websites continue to slander virtually every other Golden
Dawn order in the entire occult community except his. He is currently
hiding out in Europe to avoid prosecution for contempt of court in the
United States. David Griffin is keenly aware that, should he ever
decide to return to the United States in the near future, his passport
is subject to seizure and he is subject to immediate arrest by
immigration and other federal authorities. This is true because, by
slandering other Golden Dawn orders in the community, he is completely
in volation of a court order that was handed down by a FEDERAL court
in the United States of America. Despite whatever his spin doctors may
choose to say, he lost that case.


Find out more at www.newworldorderinfo.envy.nu

[M.H.Benders]

Post by d***@yahoo.com
The following material contain excerpts of testimonials from former
members of David Griffin's HOGD� order. These were ordinary people who
sought teaching in the Golden Dawn System of Magic and entrusted thier
entire spiritual future to this order and its chief.

So they were idiots and they got punished for being idiots.
What else is new.

Post by d***@yahoo.com
All of them have
requested that they remain anonymous all of them fear reprisal from
David Griffin.

And what is Big Bad David Griffin going to do? Vomit on them astrally?

Post by d***@yahoo.com
Why do you think Jorge has never actually had a physical 5=6
initiation? Does anyone really think that Jorge will actually GET an
initiation from a man who befriends him on the outside but actually
hates him for his race and ethnic background? I doubt it.

You people are a bunch of jokers with your stupid grades, idiotic
teachers and followers and endless rants full with the worst sort
of gossips and other material old ladies would enjoy.

M.H.Benders

[j***@msn.com]

Post by d***@yahoo.com
The following material contain excerpts of testimonials from former
members of David Griffin's HOGD� order. These were ordinary people who
sought teaching in the Golden Dawn System of Magic and entrusted thier
entire spiritual future to this order and its chief. All of them have
requested that they remain anonymous all of them fear reprisal from
David Griffin. Some of them fear this even years after severing all
connection with the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, European
International World Headquarters�.
Find out more atwww.newworldorderinfo.envy.nu!!!
"I and several other people have witnessed various Inner Order rites
that were written specifically toward celebrating Adolf Hitler and the
resurrection of the Third Riech."
If Jorge Hevia knew what actually has happened in past inner order
activities in the HOGD, he would be appalled. This should especially
concern him because of his Hispanic race. David Griffin is only using
him for as long as the need lasts, nothing else. Why? Because Jorge is
simply a non-white person in a white supremacy oriented group. For
now, Jorge holds his rank of Praemonstrator as the "token non-white"
in the group so that Griffin can effectively avoid the "race card"
issue. In truth, david griffin is known to have association with such
racial groups aswww.stormfront.organd other white supremecy/neo-nazi
oriented groups while using the Golden Dawn as a "spirtual" recruiting
tool for them. Jorge is not much of a problem for David Griffin as
hispanics have been known for thier own racial tensions with the black
community and that gives David and Jorge something in common. They
both hate "niggers".
Why do you think Jorge has never actually had a physical 5=6
initiation? Does anyone really think that Jorge will actually GET an
initiation from a man who befriends him on the outside but actually
hates him for his race and ethnic background? I doubt it.
Why do you think that David Griffin now resides in Germany? Could it
be because of his love of the "Fatherland" is greater than that of the
United States? His temple there was forcibly shut down because of an
investigation by authorities that found the space decked out with Nazi
flags in place of the traditional golden dawn regalia. It is a known
fact that ALL of his temples, with the exception of one in Paris that
still holds loose ties, are dissolved and/or in abeyance. Most of this
was due to his gestapo tactics of exerting threats and force on his
members to ensure their loyalty. There is not one member that was in
his order that did not fear him. He made sure he had some piece of
blackmail for each one of them lest any of them leave and open their
mouths about the attrocious acts of his so-called "leadership". All of
the proof of this one needs can be found in the endless threatening
letters to other temples in the occult community and slanderous posts
on the open internet that Jorge Hevia has done over the years on
behalf of David Griffin.
This is all no hoax: Ask Tommy Westlund who was among the first to
leave Mr. Griffin's order after conclusively finding that David
Griffin was a Nazi who was dedicated to using the Golden Dawn system
of magic to return the 3rd Reich to power. Ask Pat Behman if she too
witnessed rituals with Nazi symbolism, particularly one in a hotel
room with an altar bedecked with a nazi flag and the Pyrimid of Giza
in the window as a backdrop.
When it became irrevocably obvious that SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE, Chic
Cicero finally stepped up to the plate and filed suit against Mr.
Griffin for his repeated abuses of the Golden Dawn Community as a
whole. In spite of all of his smear campaigns and other threatening
Gestapo tactics on the entire community, ultimately Mr. Griffin has
lost virtually ALL of his Golden Dawn temples in the United States and
Canada and has effectively lost the privilige of even using the Golden
Dawn name in North America. The Authentic Hermetic Order of the Golden
Dawn now has the following new names as a result of a 2007 federal
court settlement: Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, European
International World Headquarters, and Authentic Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn in the Outer�. Mr. Griffin also had the wherewithal to
trademark the name "RR et AC". This was allowed him as there is no
conclusive proof that the RR et AC actually exists. David Griffin's
Martinist version of the "RR et AC" most certainly doesn't qualify.
Anyone who has read "The Golden Dawn" by Isreal Regardie knows that it
is a part of the 5=6 oath to never claim to be a Rosicrucian.
Rosicrucianism has been written about for many years and in no place
is there anything in the tradition that condones or even mentions the
abusive "Highlander" tactics of David Griffin's Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn, European International World Headquarters.�
It should also be noted that, as part of the 2007 court approved
settlement, that Mr. Griffin also agreed to cease and desist
slandering other Golden Dawn orders. This site exists because David
Griffin's slander and abusive tactics still persist on the internet.
His latest websites continue to slander virtually every other Golden
Dawn order in the entire occult community except his. He is currently
hiding out in Europe to avoid prosecution for contempt of court in the
United States. David Griffin is keenly aware that, should he ever
decide to return to the United States in the near future, his passport
is subject to seizure and he is subject to immediate arrest by
immigration and other federal authorities. This is true because, by
slandering other Golden Dawn orders in the community, he is completely
in volation of a court order that was handed down by a FEDERAL court
in the United States of America. Despite whatever his spin doctors may
choose to say, he lost that case.
Find out more atwww.newworldorderinfo.envy.nu

I am not quite sure if I agree with all the above however I would like
to ad that I have had a negative experience with David Griffin's
Order. He is a very arrogant and egotistical individual that chooses
to malign those that have preceded him (mainly Cicero) and I find this
quite disturbing. Especially in view of the fact he pays Cicero
monetary compensation to use the name of the, "Hermetic Order of the
Golden Dawn."

My personal experience's with this individual can be summed up in one
word, that being an, "ego centrical maniac" and some one who profeses
to perpetuate the, "true" teachings and precepts of the Golden Dawn
but yet finds it neccessary to bash other Orders out there in the same
breath that he professes to uphold.

If one was in the position to have in his possession the true
teachings of said Order why would one use the same avenue of puporting
to be the, "end all" and then also use the same tool at hand to do
nothing more than spew hatred and take it upon himself to be the
demise of other Orders that are out there attempting to do the same
thing.

This in itself shows his true colors and his only and foremost concern
is that of securing some sort of legitimacy which he obviously is not
in possession of. For Mr. Griffin to attack Cicero in any manner what
so ever is a tell tail sign that he cannot be taken and/or accepted in
any other way but to be a, "loose gun" and someone that is obviously
out of his mind. To attack the very authoirty from which one claims to
have been granted special dispensation to perpetuate that which one
purports to propulgate the very teachings thereof is in itself a, "red
flag" to all those that seek the light in any way, shape or form.

Mr. Griffins site has constantly made it a point in the past that his
Order does not believe in astral initiations, sex magic and the like
and he is now offering these very things to his prospective Neophyte's
as being perfectly valid and acceptable practices within the Golden
Dawn community.

If one were to go back and review the links off this thread you would
be well informed that this individual took solice in a trailer as his
place of residence. Isn't that a major eye opening experience as to
who your great Leader is. I in fact have started legal proceedings
against this individual for wire fraud and identity theft and will be
pursuing the same to its end.

I firmly believe that I will own the trailer and sue his ass into
oblivion.

JW777

[h***@golden-dawn.com]

The post initiating this thread is part of an ongoing defamation
campaign that has been carefully orchestrated for years against the
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, outer order of the Rosicrucian
Order of Alpha et Omega and its leaders David Griffin and Jorge Hevia.
This post, like countless others like it over the years, links to a
defamatory website that has been anonymously published using anonymous
proxies to hide the cowards behind it. Tactics frequently used in this
defamation campaign have included impersonation of HOGD/A+O members as
well as false and forged testimonials. The usenet posts directing to
these "anonymous defamation websites" themselves are rountinely
published by anonymous trolls, frequently from the same 'Teranews'
account.

This does not mean that there has not been any indication who is
responsible for this, however, as over the years there have been slip-
ups. For example, on Saturday, February 12, 2005, Robert Zink, leader
of the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn slipped up and directed
readers to one such anonymous defamation website from his Golden Dawn
blog in a post signed by himself.

Moreover, in 2007, the content of one such "anonymous defamation
website" was identified on web space belonging to an initiate of the
Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn. The veil of OSOGD deniability,
moreover, was pierced when all three Chiefs of the the OSOGD, Sam
Webster, Joseph Max, and Barbara Cormack signed an open letter in an
official capacity also directing readers to a similar defamatory
article published on the website of the same implicated OSOGD
initiate.

These are strong indications who is behind this. For more information
on the history of the defamation campaign, see:

http://www.golden-dawn.info/gdinfo/Timeline.html

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